From the Centre for European Reform, this is the CEO podcast.

It is a critical moment.

If we do not act with urgency, we would then severely undermine the liberal order.

Brexit means Brexit, and we're going to make a success of it.

The wind is back in Europe's sales. We have now a window of opportunity, but it will not stay open

forever. Hello, you're listening to the CER podcast with me, Beth Oppenheim, and I'm recording this from a swelteringly hot London.

And on the line from Brussels, I have Camino Mortara Martinez.

Hi, Camino.

Hi, also from Scorting Hot Brussels.

We're going to be discussing the EU's security union on which Camino has just written a paper.

Europe has faced some pretty major security challenges over the past few years,

in the form of the migration crisis.

The desperation here is incredible.

They've been pushing women through and manhandling little children over the heads

to get them out of this crush.

The Croatian government told us that it was ready, it was prepared, it is not.

And also in several terrorist attacks.

It certainly seems that Brussels airport has been targeted in a terrorist attack.

And these exposed some quite fundamental weaknesses in the EU's security architecture.

So Camino, how has Europe responded to these security

challenges? So, as we all know, 2015 and 2016, were not necessarily very good years for the

European Union. We had, as you very rightly said, a number of terrorist attacks on European soil,

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