From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is the business.

Writer and director, Celine's song, is on the exhausting awards circuit for the first time with her first movie, past lives.

Now in the thick of it, Song says she didn't know what she didn't know, but that was a good thing.

It is, of course, a source of uncertainty, but it's also a source of fearlessness for me

because I can't be scared of what I don't know, right?

And by the way, that helped me in production as well.

In production, I feel like every day I was like,

oh, I didn't know that I had to be scared of that, you know?

Song and veteran indie producer Christine Vachon

join us to talk about how song came up with a script that mesmerized the producer and her partners.

And Vachan explains why she feels optimistic about independent filmmaking, not in spite of the disruption and belt tightening in Hollywood, but because of it.

But first we banter. Stick around. It's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my partner in banter Matt Bellany. Hello, Matt. Hi there. So Netflix surprised

everyone by dropping a huge amount of data a few days ago. This is in response to a clamor because, as you well know, for many years now,

nobody has really gotten much in the way of transparency from Netflix. This was an issue in the

recent strikes, although this move doesn't appear to be in response to the strike situation,

but Ted Sarando's in announcing this said that the lack of transparency

was creating an atmosphere of mistrust with their creative partners, which is, I think,

pretty safe to say. For me, a trove of data like this, which is a thrill for a lot of reporters,

is not such a thrill because I'm incredibly bad at analyzing numbers,

but I think the takeaway may be overall, and you can go into more detail because you, I'm sure,

understand it better than I do and are finding it more fun to root around in there, is that a lot of

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