Hi everybody and welcome to Coaches Corner. I have a really special longer than

usual podcast for you today but this conversation required longer than usual because the conversation was so important.

April Don Harder joins me today and I'll tell you a little bit more about her in a moment.

I wanted to have her on because I wanted to have a conversation about racism from the psychological, emotional,

mental health perspective.

That's always been my passion and my mission to help you understand you better

so that you can understand others better to help you resolve your own wounding

that's getting in the way of you experiencing more love and being a more loving person

and that's getting in the way of not living in the illusion of separation anymore.

And when I first heard April interviewed on another podcast about how racism is a mental illness and I know that's a big statement so just

listen to the episode because she will unpack that. Something in my nervous

system relaxed. She went on to talk about how we can't shift our racism

unless we heal our own trauma and wounding.

And as I listened to her, I just thought, oh, wow, like this woman is really making so much sense.

She's really coming from a more therapeutic perspective and not just a reactionary perspective.

And April talks about, I don't think she talks about it

in our interview, but I've heard her talk about it

on other podcasts and her podcast, Racism Recovery Podcast which I highly

recommend about how you know there's there's activism and activism is so

important changing just the systematic injustices that we have.

And what's also important is actually healing racism so that we're not just in performance

allyship and we're activating and innovating from a place of truly

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