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CONFLICTED

CC: Jakub Jajcay – The Raw Reality of Modern Warfare in Ukraine

CONFLICTED

Message Heard

History, Religion & Spirituality

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 27 August 2025

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

This week on Conflicted, host Thomas Small is joined by an old friend and former housemate when they studied in Syria together, Jakub Jajcay. A man of many talents, Jakub studied Arabic with Thomas in Damascus before becoming a Slovakian army officer, while also continuing his studies about the Middle East, including working towards a PHD on Lebanese politics. When Russia invaded Ukraine, he decided to put his professional skills to use, joining the Ukrainian Armed Forces as a foreign volunteer.  This episode is a raw, firsthand account of his experience of modern warfare. Jakub recounts his experiences as both an infantryman in the trenches and a drone operator, revealing surprising and often grim truths about the war's reality. The pair discuss a number of misconceptions about the war, from the overrated influence of Western weapons to the true nature of combat in the 21st century. They also dive into the effectiveness of drones, and the deeply personal motivations of Ukrainian soldiers, revealing a quiet, resolute patriotism that is less about grand political ideology and more about the fundamental desire for a sovereign homeland. This is a powerful and sobering conversation that grounds the abstract debates about international law and geopolitics in the grit, mud, and courage of those living it on the ground. To listen to the full episode, you’ll need to subscribe to the Conflicted Community. And don’t forget, subscribers can also join our Conflicted Community chatroom, where you can interact with fellow dearest listeners, discuss episodes past and future, get exclusive messages from Thomas and Aimen, ask future Q&A questions and so much more. All the information you need to sign up is on this link: https://conflicted.supportingcast.fm/  Conflicted is proudly made by Message Heard, a full-stack podcast production agency which uses its extensive expertise to make its own shows such as Conflicted, shows for commissioners such as the BBC, Spotify and Al Jazeera, and powerfully effective podcasts for other companies too. If you’d like to find out how we can help get your organisation’s message heard, visit messageheard.com or drop an email to hello@messageheard.com! Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MHconflicted And Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MHconflicted Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome back, dearest listeners of the conflicted community.

0:05.0

I'm your host, Thomas Small, and today I'm joined by an old friend who's going to help me understand a conflict,

0:14.0

which has been crouching in the background of so many of our discussions over the past two years, but which we haven't given our full attention to since it began back in early 2022.

0:26.6

Yes, we're talking about the war between Ukraine and Russia.

0:31.6

But instead of the big existential questions about sovereignty,

0:36.6

nationhood, and international law,

0:39.6

we're going to focus on the view from the front line,

0:43.1

because this week I'm joined by a remarkable man,

0:47.2

who, when Russia invaded Ukraine, decided to join up as an infantryman inside the Ukrainian army, eventually moving onto becoming a drone operator

0:58.0

as well. And as I said, he's also an old friend. We studied Arabic together at the University

1:04.1

of London back in the glory days of the Nautis and were housemates inside the old city of Damascus

1:10.6

during the year we both spent there.

1:13.4

And so I'm especially pleased to be welcoming Jacob Yaitzai onto the show.

1:18.5

Jacob, how's it going, man?

1:21.3

Very good. Glad to be alive.

1:24.4

Thanks for having me.

1:25.8

We're all glad you're alive, too.

1:27.3

I mean, Jacob, when we found out, it wasn't so long ago that you sort of surprised our friend

1:31.6

group from university by revealing what you'd been up to the previous three years.

1:35.8

It was quite a shock.

1:37.8

But dearest listeners, we're going to translate that shock into good podcasting because

1:43.6

Jacob is going to tell us about his

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