CC: Hamza Howidy – Protest, Exile, and a Post-Hamas Vision of Gaza

CONFLICTED

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Religion & Spirituality, History

4.7 • 1.4K Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2025

⏱️ 22 minutes

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This week, Thomas speaks with Hamza Howidy, a Palestinian activist originally from Gaza now living in exile in Germany. Hamza shares his extraordinary story of growing up under Hamas rule and the constant threat of Israeli military action on the one hand, and the brutality of Hamas on the other. Hamza was forced to leave Gaza due to his involvement in protests against Hamas in 2019 and 2023, taking the dangerous journey across the Mediterranean from Turkey to Europe to do so. Hamza offers a vital and nuanced perspective on life in Gaza, the internal political dynamics between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, and his vision for a future free from Hamas's governance. He candidly discusses the brutal realities faced by those who dissent against Hamas and his own experiences of protest and imprisonment. To listen to the full episode, you’ll need to subscribe to the Conflicted Community. And don’t forget, subscribers can also join our Conflicted Community chatroom, where you can interact with fellow dearest listeners, discuss episodes past and future, get exclusive messages from Thomas and Aimen, ask future Q&A questions and so much more. All the information you need to sign up is on this link: https://conflicted.supportingcast.fm/ Conflicted is proudly made by Message Heard, a full-stack podcast production agency which uses its extensive expertise to make its own shows such as Conflicted, shows for commissioners such as the BBC, Spotify and Al Jazeera, and powerfully effective podcasts for other companies too. If you’d like to find out how we can help get your organisation’s message heard, visit messageheard.com or drop an email to [email protected]! Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MHconflicted And Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MHconflicted Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome back, dearest listeners. Thomas Small here with you for another episode for the conflicted community.
0:08.0	And this week I'll be interviewing another Palestinian activist from Gaza, whose story of protest and resilience is going to give us a vital perspective on what it is like to live under both Hamas's brutal leadership and the threat
0:22.8	of Israeli attack and invasion. My guest this week is, as I've said, a Gazan, living in Germany now
0:29.5	as an exile after he was forced to leave Gaza due to his involvement in protests against Hamas
0:35.7	in 2019 and 2023. He's a human rights and peace
0:40.9	advocate who has been incredibly vocal in his condemnation of Israel's actions in Gaza, but equally
0:47.5	of Hamas, whose reprisals against those like him who protested in 2023 were incredibly brutal.
0:56.0	Brutal tactics, dearest listeners, which we are again seeing now in Gaza after recent protests
1:02.0	against Hamas at the end of March 2025.
1:06.0	So, conflicted community, please welcome Hamza Hauedi onto the show.
1:10.0	Hello, Hamza. Hi, Thomas. Thank you.
1:12.9	Actually, it's a good opportunity to be unconflicted today. Well, we're really happy to have you,
1:18.0	Hamza. Today, dearest listeners, we'll be hearing about Hamza's extraordinary story of growing up in
1:23.9	Gaza, how he joined protests against Hamas in the late 2010s.
1:28.8	We'll hear his thoughts on the internal political machinations between Hamas and the Palestinian
1:34.1	authority, and we'll explore what a just settlement for Gazans free of Hamas might look
1:40.3	like in the future.
1:42.1	Let's jump right in. Hamza, it's such a pleasure to have you on the show.
1:53.0	Since October 7th, we haven't had that many Palestinian voices on conflicted.
1:59.0	And so I'm really looking forward to hearing about your life
2:02.3	and about your perspective on everything that's been going on. First, Hamza, tell us more about
2:07.0	yourself. Tell us about growing up in Gaza. How old are you? So around when were you born?
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