I mean however long it needs to go.

Yeah.

90 minutes.

Well, I was thinking more just a, because if you're going to attack this song at the end of cult cast, right?

And you're, cold cast episodes about an hour, I would imagine.

About.

Yeah.

Technically it's 30 minutes, but it never goes less than 60.

It's the longest 30 minute apple conversation. But it never goes less than 60.

It's the longest 30 minute apple conversation you'll hear all week long. Yeah, that's awesome.

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I'm here with the amazing Aaron Hughes he's sitting right in front of me and we're going to be talking about our packs 2018 experience now for those of you that aren't familiar with packs it is a huge

Gaming Convention video games and board games. It was

Started in 2000 maybe yeah, I want to say like 2002 or so and it was started by these guys that had this comic called the Penny Arcade and they started a Penny Arcade

Expo which was basically just a big video game convention.

Why did we not think about this idea? I know. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. It grew to a massive size and

now what was packs prime there was only one packs now it's called

packs west takes place in Seattle they have them all over the world they have packs

east they have packs south now in Australia too they have one in Australia as well. Is there a packs north? I don't have

there is. Yeah, but yeah I mean maybe like Alberta would have to be that

might be our inn. Yes That might be our in.

Aaron and I are always talking about our con ideas. We both want to get into the con business.

And we can never think of what to do because all the best con ideas are literally all taken.

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