Caught Offside with Andrew Gunling and J.J. Devani.

Oh, yes.

Caught offside from just outside of New York City from an apartment in Brooklyn, New York.

Andrew Gunling, JJ Devani.

What's up, brother?

Andrew, do you remember time when documentaries were not always made by the protagonist in the documentary?

The featured person in the documentary.

Here we go.

I got so excited for the Ronaldinho documentary, and I still haven't watched it.

And I still will watch it because easily, outside Messi the most magnetic player the most eye

catching the most just oh my god what a player to have to have watched in his pomp even

if his pump didn't last really that long. But I think this is a Ronaldinho

production with his brother, his agent involved. And it just, it just takes away from it. You can't

say it doesn't. It just does. I agree. It doesn't necessarily mean they can't be good. For example, you know, look, I thought the last dance, the Michael Jordan documentary, I loved it. And it was... I loved it. And his fingerprints, I shouldn't even say we're all over. It was his hand. It wasn't even a fingerprint. It was full hand. Like, it was him. But I felt he was... The Alan Iverson three-part documentary. It's all him, but it's... I thought it was tremendous, tremendously good. No crossover. What? What was the Iverson on... It's on Amazon Prime now. Oh. Yeah, but the 30 for 30 is the one you go see. No, no, I'm not talking about that. But that's the definitive Iverson one. And you can see see this is a three-parter and a, yeah, I don't know. Okay, well, maybe, yeah, all right. But you know what I mean? Like when there's that bit of a distance and a remove, I just feel like you get. Well, here's the, here's the problem. How does it work? So these guys go to a network and basically say, I want to tell my story. It's going to be

raw. It's going to be, you know, the real story. And the network, what are they going to do?

If they can say no, but they're going to say yes. Right. They're going to say yes.

And if they want to make a documentary about these guys without the guy's blessing, it's become harder to do that now because... Access. Right. So what's going to happen? They're going to try to make a documentary without the guy's blessing. They're going to want it to be the real story and all that. but this guy, you know, they want to tell the story themselves.

So they'll hold the real story.

They'll tell all the people. want it to be the real story and all that. But this guy, you know, they want to tell the story

themselves. So they'll hold the real story. They'll tell all the people that the other network

would want to talk to. They'll go to those guys and say, don't talk to them. I'm making my own

come on mine. And so like it's almost, it's become a lot harder to do that now. It has when you're,

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