Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to What Went Wrong, your favorite podcast, Full Stop, that just so happens to be about movies, and how it is nearly impossible to make them, let alone a good one, let alone one of the greatest cinematic fur balls ever put to celluloid a movie that begs the question, if Hallie Berry can't pull off a

Karen haircut, who can. As always, I am Chris Winterbauer, joined by my co-host Lizzie Bassett,

joined by a very special guest. Lizzie, would you do the honors? I certainly will. Our special

guests may be able to tell you, though, that it's not a Karen haircut as much as it is a John and Kate Plus 8, Kate Gosselin haircut. And that's because we have with us

today, Ryan Bailey of so bad it's good with Ryan Bailey. He is, listen, he's a reality expert. He

covers, you know, reality TV shows on his show, but he does it with such vigor and detail.

And as I learned when I joined him for an episode of his show recently, he's also an enormous

movie buff. So kind of the perfect guest for this movie, which I would argue is so bad. It's good.

And he's sitting here in a Stanley Kubrick hat. So what else could we

possibly want from him? Ryan, thank you so much for being here. Thank you. I mean, this is like a

make-a-wish foundation for me. To be able to talk not about real housewives for a second is truly

amazing. I am a fan of your show. I am so thrilled to be here. Even if it is for Catwoman, I am so, so dang thrilled. So thank you for having me. And Kate Gosselin, thank you for that reference, because as soon as you said Karen haircut, I was like Kate Gosselin. Watching the movie. It's crazy. I was like Kate Gosselin. It's crazy. I have to say, honestly, I'm such a big fan of your show, and it blows my mind that you can sustain those episodes when you do them by yourself.

You can sustain a conversation with yourself about the Real Housewives for two hours, and it's amazing.

It's engaging all the way through.

You have, like, such a breadth of knowledge about these TP monsters, who we all love so much. And I just really, it's very impressive. If you have not listened to Ryan's show, you absolutely must. If you watch any of these shows, it is truly a must listen. I don't watch any of these shows, by the way, and I listened because Lizzie was on your show. Oh, I'm so sorry, Chris. No, it's wonderful. Yes. It's weird. It's like how I listen to some sports podcasts and I don't actually watch the sporting events. And this is now going to be my relationship with you, Ryan. I don't know the material, but I just like the sound of your voice and you're very engaging as you discuss it. Well, any reality television really goes to what went wrong because every reality television

show, you're wondering how this got made.

And what's the reality behind the reality?

Like, it's not, now there's everything that happened behind the scenes and you have to pay

attention to a 360 focus of not only the show, but all the podcasts about the show and the

Reddit threads about the show. And you have to do, like, deep research like you guys are doing

just to make sense of what you're seeing on screen, which most of the time you cannot make

heads or tails of if you're just a casual viewer these days. It's true. Well, you certainly can't

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