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Hello and welcome to Jesuitical, a podcast from America Media for Saints and Sinners.

You can join us each week for honest conversations about the Catholic Church and our world today, sometimes over drinks.

I'm Ashlyn McKinless, and I'm joined by Zach Davis.

Hey, great to be with you, Ashley.

Great to have you back. If you were going to give the Pope something, what would it be and why?

Does he have a puppy yet? It seems like the few times he's been interacting with an animal. He has had the biggest smile on his face. So I think he's a big animal lover

and that he would really appreciate

the company of a puppy.

Look, I think he's got to wait

for like a real low point in his like PR journey.

And then if there was ever a way to bounce back

like a billion stories about the Pope's new puppy,

that would just, yeah, papal puppy, that would solve it. I mean, you might have seen these fake AI stories about Pope Francis having a dog when he died. I remember seeing a bunch of those. It wasn't true. As far as I know, there is no papal puppy yet, but we will stay on alert for that. So this week we're doing one of those 101 conversations that we do from

time to time about really important thinkers or saints in the Catholic tradition. So Sebastian

and I had a conversation while you were out with Michael Higgins about Henry Nowan. And I have to

admit, Henry Nowan was one of those names that I recognized, but had never really read any of his books. But he was a really prominent. He's a Dutch priest, author, psychologist, and theologian in the 20th century, who had a huge, huge following and continues to have, you know, devotees and disciples who care deeply about his work.

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