This is Kyle Worley, and I'm joined not by my co-host today. I'll let you determine whether

that's a blessing or not, but by Trevin Wax and Thomas West. Trevin is the vice president of resources and marketing for the North American Mission Board

and is the author of somewhere between three and 50 books.

He also annotated and edited my favorite version of Chesterton's Orthodoxy,

which I've recommended on the show before.

So if you haven't had a chance to go check that out, go get that one,

and then grab one of Trevin's other books. Thomas West is the senior pastor of Nashville

First Baptist Church. The two of them have recently co-authored and published the Gospel Way

Catechism, which we're going to talk a little bit about today as a part of a larger discussion

on just what a catechism is and why it matters. But first, Trevin, Thomas, welcome to after the fact.

Or not after the fact, welcome to knowing faith.

Welcome to knowing faith.

Yeah, I'm not on my game right now.

Normally I already have Jen and JT trolling me.

So to have two smiling faces that are ready to just jump into the conversation without mocking me. It's kind of, it's put me off kilter here. But welcome to the show. It's summer, man. You get a pass. It's summer. And Kyle, welcome, man. Welcome to the safe space. We know this has got to be therapeutic for you, man. We're happy to have you in this environment. You know, I, I'm anticipating, I'm going to get more encouragement on this episode

of knowing faith than has become normative. But, you know, when Jin and JT aren't here, we can just

we can just talk some durn on them. So either of y'all have something you want to get off your

chest about Jen Wilkin or J.T. English? Because now it's just, it's just me, a couple of you, and then a few

hundred thousand listeners online. So if I say anything negative about Jen Wilkin, I'm, I'm going to

regret that for a long time with all her fans. JT. Maybe, but you know. Yeah. Thomas, you were saying

some pretty terrible stuff about JT before we punch record.

I mean, just really, really awful.

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