Welcome back to the podcast, bribe, swindle, or steel.

I'm Alexandra Rogge, and today I'm delighted to be speaking with Dan Kahn.

Many of our listeners will know Dan from his more than 11 years with the US Department of Justice,

where he held senior roles in the criminal division, including, for our purposes today, chief of the FCPA unit. Dan worked on some well-known foreign

bribery cases during his time with the DOJ, and he has recently returned to Davis Polk

as a partner in the white-collar defense and investigations practice in Washington, D.C.

So why don't we start there, Dan? Welcome. How does it feel

to be back in private practice? Thanks so much for having me. And it's great to be back at Davis

Polk. It's a place where I started my legal career. And it's just great to be back with old friends.

It was a very nice transition. And frankly, from my perspective, at least, I think when you're in the

government or when you're on the defense side, if you're doing your job well, you are trying to

look at it from both perspectives in any event. When I was at the government, certainly a lot of

what we were doing was trying to understand what the defense's arguments would be, what they are,

what the best arguments are, even if the defense weren't making them. And likewise, on the defense's arguments would be, what they are, what the best arguments are,

even if the defense weren't making them. And likewise, on the defense side, a lot of what we are

often trying to figure out is the way the government would look at something, how they would look

at evidence, how they would judge a compliance program. And so in many ways, it's not that difficult

to transition, but it is great to be back at Davis

Paul. Whenever I speak to former prosecutors, it seems that for the first month or two,

they really struggle with their pronouns, us, them, we, the government. Are there any challenges

to shifting back to private practice? Not yet. It's only been a few weeks. It's been great

so far. It's always a challenge learning how to build time again. That's something that you obviously don't do in the government. And I have no doubt that the pronouns will start to come naturally at some point, but totally understand that challenge as well.

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