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The Big Dig

Catching The Codfather | 3. Punch in the Kisser

The Big Dig

GBH News

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4.82.1K Ratings

🗓️ 25 February 2026

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

The west has cowboys, the east has fishermen – it's a job defined by freedom and self-reliance. But in 1991 a contentious lawsuit forces the government to step in, setting Carlos Rafael and the regulators on a collision course.

You can watch the full film of “A Fish Story” on YouTube

Major sponsorship for “Catching The Codfather” is provided by Roger’s Fish Co.

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Credits:

Host and Scriptwriter: Ian Coss

Executive Producer: Devin Maverick Robins

Producers: Isabel Hibbard and Ian Coss

Story Editor: Lacy Roberts

Editorial Advisor: Jenifer McKim

Fact-checkers: Ryan Alderman and Isabel Hibbard

Intern: Fiona Boyd

Scoring and Music Supervision: Ian Coss

Graphic Design: Bill Miller

Transcript

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0:00.0

Swindled is a true crime podcast about greed.

0:03.6

The anonymous host, who refers to himself as a concerned citizen,

0:07.4

tells true stories of white-collar criminals, con artist, and corporate evil,

0:12.0

and a dark and dead-penn narrative style that will leave you trusting nothing.

0:16.1

There are episodes about the disturbing histories and practices of food giants,

0:20.2

such as Nestle and Chiquita.

0:22.1

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0:28.6

There's even a swindled episode about Mother Teresa.

0:31.6

Nothing and no one is off limits.

0:34.6

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0:40.1

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0:46.9

for you. Listen to Swindled at swindled.com or wherever you listen to podcast.

1:00.2

Support for catching the codfather comes from Rogers Fish Company,

1:04.9

founded by lifelong fishmonger and seafood advocate Roger Berkowitz.

1:11.6

Rogers Fish Company brings responsibly sourced seafood and chef-crafted meals straight to your door.

1:15.5

Order online at rogersfishco.com.

1:22.1

And also from safety insurance, offering auto insurance policies designed to help for when the worst happens.

1:23.1

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1:27.4

Safety insurance will help you manage life storms.

1:35.3

There's a piece of the Carlos Rafael origin story that I didn't share before,

1:40.3

because it feels more relevant here.

1:43.3

When Carlos first arrived in this country, his first

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