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The Big Dig

Catching The Codfather | 1. Red Lobster

The Big Dig

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4.82.1K Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2026

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

Carlos “The Codfather” Rafael dominates the most valuable fishing port in the United States, and no one is quite sure how he did it. But in 2015, when undercover federal agents offer to buy his business, Carlos opens his books.

Major sponsorship for "Catching The Codfather" is provided by Roger’s Fish Co.

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Credits:

Host and Scriptwriter: Ian Coss

Executive Producer: Devin Maverick Robins

Producers: Isabel Hibbard and Ian Coss

Story Editor: Lacy Roberts

Editorial Advisor: Jenifer McKim

Fact-checkers: Ryan Alderman and Isabel Hibbard

Intern: Fiona Boyd 

Scoring and Music Supervision: Ian Coss

Graphic Design: Bill Miller

Transcript

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Support for Catching the Codfather comes from Rogers Fish Company. Their signature double clam chowder is available for purchase at Market Basket and at their new Rogers Fish Company restaurant in Logan Airport, Terminal A.

0:14.8

More at Rogersfishco.com. And also from MIT Sloan Executive Education, offering short courses on critical topics led by

0:25.5

world-class faculty. Professionals can get up to speed on AI, innovation, cybersecurity, and operational

0:33.0

strategy. More at executive.m.m.t.edu.edu. Can you tell me about how you did ultimately get arrested?

0:50.7

This all started a few years back when I wanted to sell my business.

0:59.0

See, my legacy was to grow this to a point that I would turn it over to my keys.

1:10.0

I dated. That's it. I'm done. I want to turn it over to my keys. I dated.

1:11.8

That said, I'm done.

1:15.5

I wanted to give the business to my middle daughter.

1:19.6

And I told her, Stephanie, I was 62 at the time.

1:22.0

I said, Stephanie, that is dire.

1:23.0

I got enough.

1:25.5

I'm going to give you the business.

1:27.2

And I want no money. At the end of the year, the profits. I don't want no money.

1:28.3

At the end of the year, the profits you split with your sisters.

1:32.3

It's yours.

1:34.3

So she looks at me and she says,

1:37.3

Do you think I want the kind of life you have?

1:42.3

And she didn't want a company over 100 million just for them can you blame her

1:50.0

no no because i see what i did to my family i never get to spend time with them. I never get to go to the school

2:02.5

place and all this other shit. You can buy those things back. It's over. But if you get the

2:11.0

American dream, it's a certain amount of sacrifice you've got to make. It doesn't come from heaven.

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