How do you catch a spy? If you're an FBI counterintelligence, this is the game you've been playing for the last 70 years, the cat and mouse game.

And today on Deviant Offscript, we're talking to one of the people who played that game, which is actually a really dangerous game against the Russians, against the Chinese, through the fall of the Soviet Union

and into the post-9-11 era. Her name is Leray Kui, and her job was to keep this government

safe from espionage and its secrets from getting into the wrong hands. So get ready for some

stories from the dark world of counterintelligence today on Deviant, Offscript.

The Ray Kwi, it's wonderful to have you here today on Deviant.

Thank you so much for being with us.

Well, thank you for asking me, Dan. I'm excited to be here. I am a big intelligence, counterintelligence at FBI nerd. So I'm so I am happy to, it excited to get into your career and your adventures and sort of the things that you did that you're able to talk about. And I understand it, you know, there's some things you may be able to talk about. There's some things you may not be able to talk about. And also, you know, what you've done in your post career years, you know, in the realm of like helping people with mental toughness and making themselves more resilient. And we always like to start with how you got into what you, what you got into. And you were with the FBI for, what, 23 years?

24, almost 25 years. It was totally really by accident. Like many young people, I just got out of college and had a degree and had really no idea what I wanted to do. I had a degree in business and I thought, well, okay,

the world of retail. I grew up on a cattle ranch in Wyoming, very remote. And, you know,

jeans and boots were all had ever worn. So when I had the opportunity to work at a fancy department store,

I thought, oh man, this is going to be wonderful. But I just found, and I'm not knocking retail, but for me, it just wasn't edified.

It didn't really fill any kind of need in, or, you know, need in me.

So I actually went back to get my master's degree at Arizona State University.

And while I was there, the FBI was interviewing for agents.

And I thought, what the the heck what have I got to

lose so I I signed up and this really great guy named Denny interviewed me and I think what he

really liked and what the FBI liked about me was I grew up unspoiled I wasn't privileged I wasn't

pampered you know so and that was needed in my job

because they need somebody who could really just jump in and get the job done. I think that's what

they really recognized in me. So I got in almost immediately. And just put it in sort of a time in

place like Arizona, but we're talking what mid 80s or so, like, is when.

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