Hey, Wunderfels welcome to episode 442 of the J.V. Club with author Cat Bab Magira.

What a delight, what a joy. This is a classic J.V. Club experience in my my opinion because we go all over the map with

laughter, with intensity, with honesty, and with a fantastic guest.

So I hope you will enjoy this episode with Kat who just wrote a

fantastic book called Poe for your problems and yes that Poe. Give it a

listen enjoy the rest of October and happy Halloween, if that's something that's

meaningful to you. Oh, Well, I am so excited to talk to you because I very much like and I think that you, you explaining it in that way is not so bad of a segue

even just to kind of explain the sort of poo for your problems, you know, putting somebody we don't ever

expect to put into a self-help column when we're talking about our feelings and literature is it's just that's a lovely

putting together of two kind of disparate concepts right so I know you're you've probably told every single person you've done an interview with

where the inception for that idea comes from and I don't want to like I'm not going

to march you through that yet that's why my podcast is fun because we'll talk about your teenage years and then maybe we'll amble our way in that direction.

But that is kind of the punishment of having a great idea that no one's ever thought about before

is that you were forever cursed to answer the question like, I mean, where did you come up with

that idea, right?

I should have the story more Pat than I do.

I still kind of stumble through,

I guess because it finally does hearken back

to a very dark time in my life. So it's not like an it's not exactly as put

together as an elevator pitch as maybe it should be by now because you're right

I have been repeating it you know for months or what feels like

months now and then I did that before when I was selling the book and that was a hard

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