All right, Gabe, should we get started?

Let's get started. Oh, I'm not. So we have today with us. It's a great honor to have Sheila Robotham who's a

socialist feminist historian and the author of many books since the 1970s as well as a former student of Edward and Dorothy Thompson.

No, no, that's not true.

Oh, I'm so sorry.

I know.

Somebody has written that somewhere, but it's not true.

I apologize. We'll talk about your relationship with them as we go.

But anyway, welcome Sheila. It's wonderful to have you.

And to begin, we were hoping to interview you first about your political trajectory.

I've just been rereading from Beyond the Fragments and then moved toward the question of

studying and writing history from there.

And it struck me in revisiting beyond the fragments there was a

quotation from the 1912 pamphlet the miner's next step yes I really like that

nor appellate and you quoted it you quoted it saying sheep cannot be like that struck me as really

and you quoted it saying sheep cannot be said to have solidarity and that

struck me as really embodying

uh... much of the of the principle of of the larger document.

I think it's how you combine individual freedom and expression and development with the idea of changing the external oppressive structures.

And there's a really great quote from

Winston-Ley, the 17th century revolutionary

and the Puritan Revolution who talks

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