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Oprah’s Book Club

Caste: Pillar Five

Oprah’s Book Club

Oprah and Apple Books

Society & Culture

3.72.8K Ratings

🗓️ 24 September 2020

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

Part five of Oprah’s discussion with Pulitzer Prize-winning writer Isabel Wilkerson and readers of the book, Caste: The Origins of our Discontents. The fifth episode in the eight-part series focuses on the fifth pillar of Caste, “Occupational Hierarchy.” Isabel explores how the subordinate caste are often relegated to menial forms of labor, which further cements their place in the bottom rung of society in the eyes of the dominant caste. We’ll hear from an executive from a major tech company, a manager who is in charge of recruiting new employees and a high school principal.

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0:00.0

Hello listeners, please note that this episode contains strong language.

0:07.8

Hi everybody, together with Apple Books, welcome to the Opers Book Club podcast.

0:13.1

Episode five in our series focused on Isabel Wilkerson's book cast, The Origins of Our Discontents.

0:21.1

Pillar five is titled Occupational Hierarchy. It explains how the lowest cast,

0:28.1

the bottom wrong of people are forced to do the menial or lowest labor.

0:33.0

So Isabel explained the history of how people from Africa became a target for free labor

0:41.2

as far back as we arrived in 1619.

0:46.1

Yeah, that's when it started.

0:48.0

Well, before there was the United States of America, there was this hierarchy,

0:52.3

and the basis of that, the foundation of that, was what a senator from the south,

0:56.8

during that era of the 19th century actually described as the mudsil,

1:00.9

the mudsil being the central part of the foundation of an instructor,

1:06.1

in which everything else is built upon that.

1:08.6

And so everything else in the hierarchy was built around and upon this bottom

1:14.5

wrong of people who were brought in to do labor for free, starting in 1619, before

1:19.4

there was the United States of America.

1:21.2

And that meant that there was this delineation of occupations, of roles that won my play in the

1:28.2

economy on the basis of what one looked like, one's heritage, one's background, and that's what

1:33.2

said in motion, what ultimately became a codified formal cast system with laws that

1:39.8

controlled what people could do on the basis of what they look like.

1:43.0

Yeah, that's what established the hierarchy actually.

1:45.9

Yeah. So how has being the laborers for centuries impacted Black Americans today?

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