An artist communicates through their art what they were feeling when they made it.

The stronger I feel something, the better I am to communicate that.

Can I ask you to go deeper than you've ever gone before in terms of what is the heart of that creative impulse?

I appreciate you needling because this is this is good.

Needling?

Pushing me deeper. If you sit and you stare at Picasso's Guernica, you can feel what Picasso

was feeling when he was in Madrid as it was being bombed from the sky. First time ever, aerial bombs were used in a civilian area, the death, the destruction,

like the pain, the misery that he was feeling is communicated through that painting.

When I'm telling stories through my little YouTube videos and there's something that's unique to my personal experience,

I think that I'm able to do something that I think is good.

I think you're giving a safe narrative.

This podcast got way more like deep.

That's called soul boom, motherfucker.

What the fuck you do you think are doing for?

Hey there, it's me, Rain Wilson, and I want to dig into the human experience.

I want to have conversations about a spiritual revolution.

Let's get deep with our favorite thinkers, friends, and entertainers about life, meaning, and idiocy.

Welcome to the Soul Boom podcast.

So the reason I really wanted you to be on Soul Boom is, and I truly mean this,

you're one of my creative heroes of all time. Like the amount of beauty and truth and innovation that you have

put out in the world over the last, let's say, 15 years is staggering and has inspired millions

and millions of people. I'm not saying this to kiss your butt. The reason I'm saying this is

...