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Nobody Should Believe Me

Case Files 25: Olivia Gant Part 1

Nobody Should Believe Me

True Story Media

Society & Culture, True Crime, Personal Journals

4.23.3K Ratings

🗓️ 23 October 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

The disturbing parallels between Collin McDaniel and Olivia Gant's cases led Andrea to speak with Melissa Kalish, the lead detective in the investigation of Kelly Turner, for season 6. Now we’re diving deeper into Olivia’s story in a two part series where Detective Kalish walks listeners through her investigation into this case of medical child abuse. *** Justice for Collin: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tEg2mpbrwNJnuVMNdbHANCofEFYvH9_bO5MULHUxqLs/edit Order Andrea’s book The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy.  Click here to view our sponsors. Remember that using our codes helps advertisers know you’re listening and helps us keep making the show!   Subscribe on YouTube where we have full episodes and lots of bonus content.  Follow Andrea on Instagram: @andreadunlop Buy Andrea's books here.  For more information and resources on Munchausen by Proxy, please visit MunchausenSupport.com The American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children’s MBP Practice Guidelines can be downloaded here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:10.3

In our last season, we shared the tragic story of Colin McDaniel, whose suspicious death

0:18.2

at nine years old has raised urgent questions about his mother, Lisa,

0:22.2

a convicted child abuse perpetrator who claimed that Colin perished from a vanishingly rare illness.

0:28.4

But as shocking as this case is, it struck me immediately upon digging into it,

0:33.3

that it had many parallels with another case, that of Olivia Gantt.

0:40.3

This is a haunting story that's been on my radar for years. And while we shared a few details about this case in our last season,

0:45.7

today we're going to expand that coverage and our conversation with the lead detective in the

0:49.7

case. Because not only does this case provide a roadmap for a possible investigation into Lisa McDaniel,

0:55.9

it should raise alarms about what can happen when doctors don't report suspicions of abuse.

1:03.7

Thanks to the momentum created by the Maya Kowalski case and a number of other similar ongoing lawsuits,

1:10.2

along with new or proposed legislation

1:12.3

around the country, it's getting harder than ever for doctors to report suspected child abuse.

1:18.0

And as we'll see in our upcoming season, the anti-science pushback around child abuse medicine

1:23.3

isn't limited to doubts over muchhousen by proxy, but extends into other more common forms of child abuse.

1:30.3

And yes, by the way, I have listened to the new series from Serial. More on that soon.

1:35.8

It's really hard to hear about cases where a child dies, where there is no brave doctor who steps in to prevent the worst possible outcome.

1:43.9

But it's important that we

1:45.0

bear witness to what happened to children like Colin and Olivia, that we know their names,

1:50.1

so that we can understand the true cost of making it harder for doctors to protect children.

1:56.8

People believe their eyes. That's something that is so central to this topic because we do believe the people that we love when they're telling us something.

2:05.5

If we didn't, you could never make it through your day. I'm Andrea Dunlop, and this is Nobody Should Believe Me.

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