Back in 1948 a group of women integrated a Kansas grade school five years before Brown v Board by not taking no for an answer.

What I said was, this is wrong and we're going to do something about it. You wait and see.

Listen to a people's history of Kansas City from K-C-U-R, part of the NPR Network.

Hello, hello. Network. on culture and why it doesn't happen by accident.

Heads up, this conversation touches on sex and sexuality.

As a culture, we've run love into the ground.

There are countless movies about finding and fighting for love, music about the joy and pain of being in love, and a slew of dating apps that promise to help you find love. But when we use the word love,

what do we actually mean? My next guest, writer Carvel Wallace, explores that concept in his new book titled Another Word for Love.

The book is concerned with the itemizing of the various things that comprise love.

It's so interesting it's like you're creating your own taxonomy around it.

Taxonomy, that's the word I look for in all these interviews.

I'm here to help.

I'm here to help. You might know Carvel for his insightful profiles of celebrities like

Biola Davis and Steph Curry, but this time he's digging into his own life with a

memoir.

Carvel begins the book by reflecting on a childhood colored by instability.

As a kid, he bounced between different family members, experienced bouts of homelessness, and dealt with abuse and bullying.

Later, we see Grown Up Carvel try to make sense of his upbringing, and the anxieties and

addictions that grew from it. But the book is incredibly hopeful.

We also get to bear witness to his embrace of recovery, of family, and of love in all its definitions. Today we're talking to Carvel about new ways to look at life and stick around because this conversation really changed how I think about reshaping a life after trauma.

Carvel, welcome to it's been a minute.

Happy to be here.

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