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Welcome, everybody, to another episode, the Vertical podcast with Chris Manix.

We are taking the podcast on the road this week out to Southern California, where I connected with Karan Butler, a 14-year NBA veteran who has been on some very interesting teams and play with some great players.

Dwayne Wade, Dirk Tavitsky, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, and of course Kobe Bryant out in L.A.

And we had kind of a wide-ranging conversation where we discussed, among other things,

the surreal experience that he had at the end of his time with the Washington Wizards.

You know, looking back at it, I didn't really understand like, you know, how serious it was

until they took, you know, billboards down of, you know, one of the most

celebrated sports figures in, you know, Washington history. And of course, we talked about

his last team, the Sacramento Kings and the crazy situation that evolved out there. I don't

regret that move. You know, I'm a strong believer in, you know, the timing of things.

And, you know, I was placed there for a reason.

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