I'm Jonathan Cape Art and this is Cape Up.

When you see the stories involving your father, how do they hit you, how do they make you feel?

You know, it's painful, it's challenging, it's all of that, but, you know, I think we're all being challenged.

That's filmmaker Caroline Rose Giuliani, the daughter of Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York City, and President

Trump's personal attorney.

In a conversation that was recorded just days before her father's controversial scene in the Borat movie came to light.

Caroline Rose talks about the searing column she wrote in Vanity Fair that outlined a case

against Trump and why she's supporting Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

We also talk about what the younger liberal Giuliani and the older conservative Giuliani think of each other.

And I couldn't resist asking her what she would say to President Trump if she had the chance.

Hear her answer, right now.

Caroline Rose Giuliani, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

Of course, thank you for having me.

So the headline on your piece is attention grabbing.

Rudy Giuliani is my father, please everyone vote for Joe Biden and

Kamala Harris. What on earth? Why did you feel compelled to go public with your support of the ticket that's trying to beat your father's client?

Well, I just feel like our country is in such a state of crisis and has been for so long and it really reached a boiling point for me.

And it is attention grabbing. I guess, Julianis have a way of being able to do that but I was hoping I could use that

attention for something positive and hopefully inspiring people to vote and

believe that Joe Biden and Kamala can start turning this country around.

In the piece you write about briefly about how as growing up you would get into arguments with your father,

and if memory serves, those arguments didn't go well.

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