When you are pioneering anything or introducing new ideas to the culture, you get

criticized. You do? Yeah, did you hear about that? I didn't find the one.

I found someone I respected, and we made it the one.

In the sort of longing kind of view of love,

people understand each other as if by magic.

Nothing itself is addictive on one hand.

And on the other hand, everything could be addictive

if there's an emptiness in that person that needs to be filled.

I now know that nobody changes until they change their energy and when you change your energy you change your life.

I'm Gwyneth Peltro. This is the Goop, bringing together thought leaders, culture

changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists, doctors, healers, and

seekers. Here to start conversations, because simply asking questions and listening has the

power to change the way we see the world.

Here we go.

This week we're sharing a gem from the Goop Podcast Archives.

Today I'm talking to someone I've looked up to for a long time.

Caroline Mace.

I've loved Caroline's work for a long time.

She's probably most known for her book,

Anatomy of the Spirit, which came out in 1996

and will remain relevant for many years to come.

It was incredible to have the opportunity to talk with Caroline,

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