From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is The Business.

This week on the business, talk about a dream guest, the legendary Carol Burnett.

In the mid-1960s, her agent negotiated what turned out to be an unbelievable deal with CBS.

The network wanted a sitcom, but Burnett got the option to do a variety show that allowed her to play a lot of different characters.

They just said comedy variety is a man's game.

Jackie Gleetman, Milton Burrell, Sid Caesar, with all these guys.

I figured we'd get 30 shows and wound up being 270-something.

At 90, Carol Burnett is as sharp as a knife.

She talks about her relationship with friend and mentor, Lucille Ball,

how her televised birthday special ended up on NBC instead of her longtime home, CBS,

and my working with Better Call Saul creator Vince Gilligan

was one of the best experiences

she's had in television, aside from doing her own show, of course. But first we banter. Stick

around. It's the business from KCRW. I am joined by my colleague in banter, Matt Bellany. Hello, Matt.

Hi there. Well, so the Chris

licked drama at CNN has played itself out as it inevitably was going to. I mean, it was pretty

obvious following this lengthy Atlantic article that he was becoming the story, had become the story,

and had alienated staff. I mean, I would actually say from the beginning,

this was a bad match to have this guy who, you know, had been executive producer of the late show

with Stephen Colbert. You and I have experienced this, just the blanket overall issue here,

in my opinion. You don't need to necessarily comment on it. But we know it is like when upper-level executives who have no experience with news, really,

and think that they are great defenders of the freedom of the press

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