Welcome to the ticket. I'm Isaac Dauver. President Trump is flailing. His poll

numbers are way down. All the empty seats at his Tulsa rally left him to

trudge back to the White House as people made fun of him.

And Republicans have begun to signal a kind of worry about him that has been rare in the past four

years.

All the same, few have taken big public stances against him.

On today's show, though, we have someone

who's publicly opposed the president and is now ready to go the full step further.

Carly Fyarina is a conservative Republican who ran for the 2016 nomination.

You may remember her duking it out with Trump, facing down a sexist attack from him,

and being announced as Ted Cruz's running mate in a last-ditch attempt to stop the reality star from winning the Republican nomination.

Even before politics, Fiorina had quite a background.

She rose from working as the Secretary to being the first woman to run a Fortune 50 company as the CEO of Hewlett-Packard.

Now she runs unlocking potential, a group that works to encourage diversity among corporate leadership.

She joined me to discuss President Trump, the Republican

Party, and how her thinking has evolved recently. Take a listen.

Hi, Isaac. Hi Carly how are you. I'm good how are you however any of us are at this point. Yes well although here I have to say, you know, we have to find our moments of joy

where we can and here it's a beautiful summer day. Yeah, you're in Virginia, right?

Yes, our offices are in Alexandria,

and my home is in Mason Neck, which is down the Potomac River

a little ways past Fort Bel War.

So if I have to shelter in place, it's a lovely place to do it.

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