If we want to reconnect the social fabric, we have to rebuild relationships.

And the most effective way to build relationships is collaborate with somebody else and solve a problem.

Don't talk up here in abstract.

Get down on the ground and solve a problem.

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Right now, my listeners get a special offer that includes a four-week trial plus free postage and a digital scale with no long-term commitment. Just go to Stamps.com, type in Shapiro. That is Stamps.com. Enter Shapiro. Carly Furina. Thanks so much for stopping by. I really appreciate it. It's great to be with you, Ben. Thank you for having me. So for the vast majority of people who are familiar with you, I'm sure they're familiar with you from the 2016 presidential campaign. Obviously, you had a huge name profile before that. You were CEO of Hewlett-Packard, and you'd run for Senate in California as well. So what got you from business

into politics in the first place? Well, you know, I kind of realized that politicians and the

policies they pursue impact all of our lives. There were periods in my life where I didn't vote

at all. I thought politics wasn't for me. And then I realized actually politics affects me.

It affects a lot of people. And I also think there's so much that's broken about our politics.

I think, as George Washington observed in 1789, it's about winning more than it's about problem

solving. And I think the vitriol in politics is really soul-crushing to a lot of

people. And so I thought, well, maybe I can make a positive contribution and perhaps speak about it

in a different way and speak about a citizen government, which is what I think we were meant to have.

Well, looking at the state of politics now, are you optimistic still about that vision of getting into politics? Because it seems like we're getting more polarized. There's sort of a movement by Roder and others to sort of move away from the political to just say, listen, nothing's getting solved there. Let's move back into the areas that you occupied beforehand. That's where the solutions are going to get done. Well, I'm kind of there at the moment. You know, I think that, first of all, we know this from our founders, but I've learned this in my life.

Power concentrated is power abused, always.

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