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a co-author of the book Freakonomics, and also the host of the podcast,

people I mostly admire from the Freakonomics Radio Network.

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conservationist Jane Goodall, psychologist Danny Coniman,

and Jennifer Daoudna, the scientist behind the Gene Editing Technology CRISPR.

I even interviewed my own daughters.

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Carlos Santana has always been out of this world.

As a guitarist, his melodic style and tone is distinctive,

and as a band leader, his decision to combine Latin and African rhythms

with traditional rock helped to widen the breadth of the genre.

That's about Isos K. Maros from Santana's 2019 album,

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