Carlo Rovelli: Cosmic Mysteries and the Politics of Wonder
Wonder Cabinet
Wonder Cabinet Productions
4.8 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 7 February 2026
⏱️ 38 minutes
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Summary
Carlo Rovelli’s quest to understand the nature of reality began not in a physics lab, but in youthful experiments with consciousness, political protest and a restless hunger for meaning—years before he “fell madly in love with physics.” Today, Rovelli is famous for his bestselling books, including "Seven Brief Lessons on Physics" and "Reality Is Not What It Seems," and his pioneering work on some of the biggest mysteries in physics, including black holes and quantum gravity.
In a wide-ranging conversation, Steve Paulson talks with Rovelli about his early, profound experiences with LSD; his discovery of the "spectacular" beauty of general relativity and quantum mechanics; his lifelong search for purpose in both the cosmos and his own life; and why scientists need to be politically engaged. Carlo also tells us about the big idea that he’d put in our own wonder cabinet.
This interview was recorded at the Island of Knowledge think tank in Tuscany, a project supported by Dartmouth College and the John Templeton Foundation. We also play a short excerpt from Anne Strainchamps’ earlier interview with Rovelli that originally aired on Wisconsin Public Radio’s To The Best Of Our Knowledge.
This Wonder Cabinet episode was not funded, endorsed or affiliated with Wisconsin Public Media or the University of Wisconsin - Madison.
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- TTBOOK Interview — Deep time: Carlo Rovelli's white holes, where time dissolves
- Carlo Rovelli's Website — Official research and publications
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00:00:00 Introduction & The Chirp of Black Holes
00:04:10 Early Years in Verona
00:10:00 Falling in Love with Physics
00:17:30 Search for Truth
00:25:05 Politics of Wonder
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Wonder Cabinet. |
| 0:04.0 | I'm Anne Strange Hamps. |
| 0:06.0 | And I'm Steve Paulson. |
| 0:08.0 | Where do you go when you need a dose of wonder? |
| 0:11.0 | A way to lift your spirits. Let go of the day's heaviness. |
| 0:15.0 | Well, the biggest frame of reference we have is the cosmos, an entire universe of expanded horizons and limitless possibility. |
| 0:24.1 | Where time flows differently, space bends and curves, and reality is so much more than what |
| 0:30.1 | our senses tell us. Imagine you're a theoretical physicist. You spend your whole life on the |
| 0:36.5 | edge of all that wonder. Every day you wake |
| 0:39.5 | up and you do your best to understand it just a little bit better, maybe even discover something new. |
| 0:45.9 | What was it like for you to see that first photograph of the Black Hole? Do you remember? Yes, it was |
| 0:52.4 | an incredible emotion. It's like, you know, we've been studying an animal, |
| 0:57.0 | mysterious all your life, and then you see it. |
| 0:59.0 | Wow, it exists, it's real. |
| 1:01.0 | This is Carlo Rovelli, and he is one of the world's most celebrated physicists. |
| 1:06.0 | Author of a string of best-selling books, including seven brief lessons on physics, reality is not |
| 1:12.1 | what it seems, and the order of time. We thought we would start this hour by playing this |
| 1:17.3 | little story that he told me a few years ago about one of his own favorite moments of wonder. |
| 1:23.9 | The best experience has not been the picture of the black hole, which is a few years ago, |
| 1:31.3 | but a little bit before that there was the doubts of the detection of the gravitational waves |
| 1:37.3 | that was produced by black hole. |
| 1:42.3 | Since there are so many black holes in the sky, they can meet and fall into one another. |
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