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Welcome to Mom & Dadr fighting Slate's parenting podcast for Thursday, September 21st,

the toxic achievement edition. I'm Jamil Lemue, a writer, contributor to Slate's

Karen beating parenting column, and Mom to Naima, who's 10, and we live in Los Angeles.

I'm a list of new camp. I write the homeschool and family travel blog, Dutch Dutch Goose.

I'm the mom of three little, Henry, who's 11, Oliver, who's nine, and Teddy, who's six.

We live in Tokyo, Japan. I'm Zach Rosen. I make a different podcast. It's called the best

advice show, and I'm dad Tanoa, who's six, and Ami, who's three. We live in Detroit.

Today on the show, we're going to be joined by Jennifer Brahani Wallace, author of Never Enough,

when achievement culture becomes toxic and what we can do about it.

She'll tell us how to help our kids aim high, but also how to help them love themselves,

no matter what. But before that, we're going to share some stories from our week in parenting.

And then, if you're in the Slate Plus Club, we'll be debriefing our interview with Jennifer

and talking about our own experiences with achievement culture. Here's a peek of what you'll hear

if you have Slate Plus. Jenny talked about the false life vest that a lot of parents put on

getting into a good college and that it's actually a leaded vest. What do you think is the

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