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It's a fascinating conversation about how the future of fertility treatments could be affected if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade.

I'll let host Mary Harris take it from here.

Earlier this week, our producer Carmel called up a woman, we agreed to simply call Emily.

So I'm wondering if we could start off with you just introducing yourself and a little bit of your story.

Yeah. So my name is Emily. I'll go ahead and give the reference that I'm from West Virginia because I do think that kind of affects the conversation and laws that get made in my state.

Emily's a mom. Before she had her son, she was a science teacher. We're concealing her identity

so she can speak honestly about her fertility treatments. Actually, my husband's family doesn't know about all of it yet because they are very

uncomfortable with the IVF process.

And just a couple of years ago, we had kind of mentioned it in passing, and they let us know

that they had a problem with it.

Emily's in-laws are uncomfortable with IVF because they believe fertility treatments are playing God, that life begins at conception.

The debates a lot of Americans are having about abortion these days, Emily's been having them within her own family for years.

And now, Emily sees her in-laws' ideas reflected on the Supreme Court.

What was your reaction when you first heard about the draft opinion leak?

The first thing I told my husband actually was, well, I'm glad we started this now, because it's been something we've gone back and forth on, and I mean, like, we had to get

alone to do this.

Like, this isn't something we just had the money for.

And I'm glad we pulled the trigger now.

Being so intimately familiar with the logic of the anti-abortion movement, it means Emily

doesn't look at Roe being

overturned as settling an ethical debate. Instead, she sees all the ways this opinion, if it stands,

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