Hi, mom and dad are fighting listeners. I'm Susan Matthews, and I am the editorial director of Slate's

podcast, The Waves, which we've recently just brought back. It's our show about gender and feminism,

and we thought that you might be interested in this week's conversation. I talked to Elizabeth Bruning,

a writer at the Atlantic, about a piece that she wrote about her

decision to become a mom at 25 and why parenting when you're younger might not be so bad.

We thought that you would like it too.

So here it is in your feed.

Enjoy.

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This is the waves.

This is the waves.

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This is the waves.

Welcome to the waves, Slate's podcast about gender, feminism, and the precise, correct

age at which to have your first child.

Every episode, you get a new pair of feminists to

talk about the thing we can't get off of our minds. And today, you've got me, Susan Matthews, the

news director at Slate. I'm joined by Elizabeth Bruning, who is now a writer at the Atlantic, but just

before that, she was an opinion writer at the New York Times. It's one of her last pieces there

that we're going to talk about today. The piece was published on Mother's Day, and it was called

I became a mother at 25, and I'm not sorry. I didn't wait. Liz, welcome to the show. Thanks for

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