Hey, mom and daughter fighting listeners. We're off due to the holiday, but we wanted to bring you an episode from our friends at Slate's How To podcast. This is the time of year where a lot of people evaluate what they want to change in the coming year. And for a lot of parents, that includes carving out more time for your interests. On this episode of How To host Courtney Martin talks with Eve Rodski. She's the author of Fair Play

and Find Your Unicorn Space about how parents can evenly divide the domestic chores and find time to

pursue creative passions. I'm going to hand the mic over to Courtney and we'll see you back here

on Thursday. So I go to this preschool program where I'm finally getting my older son into school, and the preschool teacher affirms that the people around me are going to become my support system.

And then I looked down on my name tag, Allison, and my name tag said, Zach's mom.

And so I remember thinking that day, these are the people that are going to know me better than anyone's ever known me in my entire life.

Well, they don't even know my fucking name.

And that's when I realized that not only would I be abandoned by my husband and my workplace,

but by society in general, by having them force me into these boxes, parent, a partner,

and a professional.

Welcome to how to. I'm Courtney Martin. You know, this might surprise you, but I've been thinking

a lot about man caves, you know, those basements or garages or whatever where guys get to play

poker and let it all hang out,

far from the watchful eye of wives and daughters and such. Well, as you might be able to tell,

I am skeptical of the way man caves are glorified, but I'm also sort of weirdly into them. Or more

accurately, I am into subverting them. People, regardless their gender, deserve spaces apart from

their families, to be in touch with what they love and who they are when they're not working

or caring for someone. In other words, like, maybe moms need man caves? Or at least time and

space free of societal expectation, right? Caregiving responsibilities, work stress,

even if it doesn't have a giant Budweiser banner or big screen TV.

Though, come to think of it, it could, to each her own, right?

So when we got a question along these lines into the how-to hotline,

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