Hey listeners, we're off for Indigenous People's Day, but while we take a break, we thought you might

like this episode from our friends at How To. We're always getting questions about how to manage screen time,

so we know that Ben, a how to listener, is in a situation you can relate to. His fourth grade

boys love their screen time. So how can Ben help his kids form a healthy relationship with tech? And how should

their school come into play? We hope you enjoy this episode of how to. And if you like it,

be sure to subscribe to their show wherever you get your podcast. We'll be back on Thursday with a

brand new episode. See you then. Just before this call, I was actually on the phone with a good friend of

mine who's a principal of a school in Philadelphia, and he said, we have to find a place

between the Wild West and the yonder pouches. Both of those extremes are not helpful, right?

Neither of those help prepare kids to thrive in a future digital world.

Welcome to how to. I'm Courtney Martin. All right, so it's back to school season. I don't know

if your experiences like mine, but I feel like I cannot get away from one conversation in

particular. It's a parent chit chat during drop off. It's in the newspapers and opeds. It's a, you know, parent chit chat during drop-off. It's

in the newspapers and op-eds. It's really everywhere. And it seems like we're all asking,

how far are we willing to go to keep our kids off of smartphones? Schools are trying everything,

right? Detention, suspension. they're sticking phones in those weird old

yonder pouches that strike me as very like dystopian novel. Now, this debate over kids and

addictive screens is nothing new, right? We've been having the conversation for years,

but public alarms seem to sort of reach a fever pitch this past spring with the publication

of Jonathan Heights,

The Anxious Generation. So in the book, which of course is a big bestseller because parents

were totally freaked out, Haidt argues that social media is almost solely to blame for the

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