Colonel Dolan, it is really a pleasure to be here with you.

On the rooftop.

On the rooftop, it's wonderful to be here.

We've been together on this pilgrimage to Rome for the Jubilee year that was planned prior

to the passing of Pope Francis.

So I'm just curious what your thoughts are today as you reflect and begin to look forward

in this process.

Well, first of all, Martha, you're right.

We were scheduled to be here anyway with 200 pilgrims from the Archdiocese of New York

at the invitation of guess who? Pope Francis. He had asked pilgrims to come from all over the world.

So we responded and then we got the somber news of his passing, but we thought, well, we're still going anyway.

So it's not quite what we had in mind. And yet there's a certain amount of, the people are so thrilled to be here.

And they weren't thrilled to be here for a funeral, but they're so, they're so ecstatic about being here at such a moment in church history.

And they are extraordinarily moved.

So you see here is, so if you ask me my major sentiment, it's this.

Yes, we're here to mourn the death of the Pope.

But what's so obvious to everybody, and I'm getting that from you all from the pilgrims,

is the vitality of the church.

They're saying, my God, look at the crowds.

Look at the young people.

We went to St paul outside the walls

the other day one of the four major basilicas to go through the holy door which is a jubilee year

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