Mike.

Lauren.

Mike, when was the last time you had your car repaired?

Well, I don't own a car, so I'm going to say 2005.

And what was the experience like?

Did you go to an independent repair shop?

I did.

The car was a Dodge B-150 cargo van, so I think the dealership would have just laughed at me.

So you had an older car, but we're going to talk about repairs in newer cars on today's show.

Hey, everyone, welcome to Gadget Lab.

I'm Lauren Good.

I'm a senior writer at Wired, and I'm joined remotely by my co-host, Wired Senior Editor Michael Kulori. Hey, Mike. Hello. And we're also joined by Wired Senior Associate Editor Julian Chukatu, who's dialing in from New York. Hey, Julian. Hello. All right, thanks for joining me today. Today, we're talking about the right to repair. So right to repair is something that can be

pretty personal to people because a lot of us have stories about trying to get our electronics

or appliances fixed. And later in the show, we're going to talk about our own repairability

gripes and experiences. But first, we're going to go to Massachusetts, virtually,

because there's a ballot measure there that could have far-reaching consequences. So I'm going to

give a quick synopsis of what's going on. And then I'll ask Mike and Julian for their takes.

Back in 2012, Massachusetts passed a law that would give car owners and independent repair shops access

to mechanical information from your card's onboard diagnostics port.

You used to have to go to a dealership for a lot of repairs, and now anyone could plug a

dongle into the OBD port and diagnose the problems with your car.

Now, this was seen as a big win for the little guy,

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