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The Documentary Podcast

Capturing South Africa

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Society & Culture, Documentary, Personal Journals

4.32.6K Ratings

🗓️ 26 May 2016

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

South Africa’s President Zuma is in deep trouble. Accusations of corruption and unexplained ministerial appointments have fuelled widespread suspicions that the South African state has been “captured”. At the heart of this accusation are the Gupta brothers - a secretive family of Indian-born entrepreneurs. From modest beginnings in the 1990s, the Guptas’ South African business empire grew dramatically. Boosted, it is said, by their alleged influence over state contracts, political appointments and President Zuma himself. In this edition of Assignment, Michael Robinson tells the story of “Guptagate” - how one of the fiercest political storms since the ending of apartheid has swept South Africa and its increasingly embattled President.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is a BBC podcast.

0:02.3

You can get all our podcasts and our terms of use

0:04.9

at BBCworldservice.com slash podcasts. Hello I'm Michael Robinson in South Africa for this edition of assignment on the BBC World Service to report on a startling allegation

0:25.3

that a single family of business people from India has managed to capture the

0:30.8

South African state. Across the world, business people try to influence governments for commercial gain,

0:41.0

but with this family the Guptas it seems to have gone much further.

0:45.1

At this huge opposition rally in a stadium near Johannesburg I had only to mention

0:50.7

their name to be left in no doubt what people thought.

0:57.0

They're worse. We don't talk about those ones. We don't want them anymore.

1:00.0

They're eating our money. We want better. Better South Africa.

1:04.0

It's one thing with the Gupta. They are ruling their country.

1:07.0

They are ruling us.

1:09.0

So we don't want coupters in South Africa.

1:12.0

For South Africa's ruling African National Congress Party, the so-called

1:16.2

Guptagate scandal is a major problem. It may prove the final straw in toppling

1:22.3

President Jacob Zuma, a man already deeply scarred by allegations

1:27.4

of corruption.

1:28.4

Zuma knew about it.

1:30.4

He's a liar with the coupters. You You see there's one thing about a black man.

1:35.0

A black man will keep on fighting.

1:37.0

Wherever he take his brick or his petrol bomb, that is his weapon.

1:41.0

So if Zuma wants to see a black man fighting, let him keep on telling lies.

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