From Elon Musk gaining unprecedented access to sensitive government information to Democrats trying to build what they call a bigger and better party, we turn tonight to the analysis of Capehart and Contonetti.

That's Washington Post Associate editor Jonathan Capehart and Matthew Contonetti with the American Enterprise Institute.

David Brooks is away this evening. It's good to see you both.

Good to see you.

So Donald Trump and his allies are making quick progress toward their stated goal of the deconstruction of the administrative state.

We've got takeovers and the hollowing out of major government agencies,

offering severance agreements to government workers,

pausing federal grants and loans, which of course is now tied up in the courts.

Jonathan, are the shockwaves being felt across the government signs of a super committed new administration shaking up the status quo?

Or are we witnessing the full assaults on the limits of executive power?

Both, Jeff, both.

Remember, Donald Trump campaigned.

He told us this is what he was going to do.

Project 2025 is all about doing what is happening right now.

And so they are trying to deconstruct, as I think as Steve Bannon, who said, the administrative state.

And they are, as I said last week, President Trump and Elon Musk in particular are taking a wrecking ball to the federal government by sewing, sure, chaos and confusion and fear, but he's following through on what he promised to do.

How do you see it, man?

I think Jonathan's right.

This was promised made, promise kept, as they like to say, in Trump world.

And I think what's important to understand about Trump and how he's going about these initial

weeks is he wants to deliver results.

Trump always feels as though the political class that preceded him talked a big game but never

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