Do you think that the people at the top are just bought and paid for and then that's why they're perpetuating these narratives or do you think that they're ignorant to it?

Let's go. Welcome to Citizen. We've got a special guest today. Oh man, I don't know how to say your name, Candas Horbock,

Horbak. Back. I don't like that. Was that Polish or some?

It's Polish, yeah. Wow. So you know I've been trying to I was explaining to you before the show.

The reason why I've started this show in the first place is kind of to collect information for a book that I'm working on of the same name.

And we have this list of principles, you know, and I don't try to, I don't want to be too

up to us about it because it's kind of just a jumping off point

for most these conversations but I do like to have more I like to have a good amount of women on discuss things from their

perspective because I think you know there's a lot of white dudes on talk

shows talking about life and shit and then you know making

making assumptions for everybody and telling how the world is and stuff it's like

all right well maybe we should ask some people who are actually living life

You know so welcome to the show first. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm excited. Oh are you? I am excited. Yeah, this is a little bit different than the typical podcast that I go on.

What's the typical? I would say ones that the entire point of the show is just to get clips right like

shock jocks that kind of thing.

Yeah, that's good.

Or like a gotcha podcast, I've done a couple of those

where I've been invited and I'm like,

well this could be, it's the beginning,

so we have no idea where it's gonna go.. But yeah you think it's well intended and then halfway

through they bring on someone that just absolutely hates everything about you.

Like I am not prepared for the situation.

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