I just said to her, oh, what would happen if someone hurt me or someone did something to

me and she was like, well, we would all be there. And I was like, no, you wouldn't.

And she was like, no, we would because like, even if we don't all get on, we're family.

And I was like, oh, that's going to be a novel. That's what I have to do.

From the Ted Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 18 years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people

about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about

and working on. On this episode, Candice Cardi Williams

discusses her new novel about half-siblings.

So many people have them and it's such an interesting and delicate and often unsuccessful relationship.

Debbie has seated the microphone this week to a substitute host, the one and only Roxanne Gay.

A few short years ago, Candice Cardi Williams came out with her debut novel Queenie

about a young Jamaican British woman in London trying to get her life together after a bad breakup.

It's funny and sharp and deeply felt. And one of those books that makes you think

this woman is one hell of a storyteller. Well, we're lucky because now she's back

with her second novel, People Person. And it is the best book I've read all year.

The novel follows the Pennington family. Five siblings really, who have the same

my tenorant father, who has been mostly absent from their lives.

When Dimple Pennington runs into something of a crisis with her boyfriend,

she turns to the family she hasn't seen in years.

And now, as adults, the siblings reconnect and help Dimple solve the biggest problem in her life.

And in doing so, they find that the bonds between them are stronger than they could have ever imagined.

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