The real story of Islam and the West or Christianity is not what we were told.

Once upon a time, there were zero Muslim nations, and now there's 50. Well, that happened somehow. Any one of these stories, by the way, if it was the opposite, if it was a Christian, doing this to a Muslim, it'd be everywhere. Everyone would know. Well, hey, Liv Free Nation, before we jump into the episode, this podcast is recorded right here at Lake Point Church in Dallas, Texas, but the live free nation before we jump into the episode this podcast is recorded right here at lake point church in

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Raymond Ibrahim, welcome to live free.

Thanks for having me, Joshua.

Happy to be with you.

This is great.

So for listeners, I just want to tell you, like one of the coolest things about this, the podcast kind of doing what it's done is I was telling you beforehand, when I read something that I really like, I can actually get a hold of the guy.

That's a good thing. Yeah, it is. That's what happened with you. So honestly, I'm just going to tell everybody how I found out about you.

And then heads up for people that are listening. We're about to have a very interesting discussion on the history of Islam.

I think some of you guys probably like me when I read Raymond's book are going to get pulled out of Matrix, and then talk about how some of those things intersect with what's going on in society now. Here's how I got introduced to you, and I want to thank you. I sleep terrible, so I usually wake up between like two and four, and I read military history. That was the first book I read, Sword and Cimitar. So I'm going to toss this up here for people who read like me. That book was unbelievable. I couldn't put that thing down. Thank you. So, and I'm here in a second, I'm going to ask you what it was about and all that stuff. Then I got a hold of that guy. This is Defenders of the West. That book is hard. That's an awesome book. It's like

vignettes of, it's primarily guys during the Crusades. Yeah. Yeah. So one of the fun facts for me was

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