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Canceled By Science, Now Running It: Dr. Jay Bhattacharya Brings Humility to the NIH

Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark

Turning Point USA

Health & Fitness

59.5K Ratings

🗓️ 3 January 2026

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Question the science and you’re labeled dangerous. Do it anyway — and you end up running the NIH.


Dr. Jay Bhattacharya went from being smeared as a “fringe epidemiologist” for opposing COVID lockdowns to leading the National Institutes of Health at a time when trust in science is collapsing. Dr. Bhattacharya addresses scientific dissent, free speech in medicine, the real fallout of lockdowns, chronic disease, environmental health, and whether the NIH can be rebuilt to serve the people — not the institutions.


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Our Guest:

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya


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0:00.0

The mandates for the vaccine, the COVID lockdowns really shattered trust from the American

0:07.0

public in the NIH.

0:08.4

Why is this version of the NIH different than the one that failed them?

0:12.0

I've seen what the NIH can do to help create a cadre of scientists who actually want

0:18.3

to learn the truth and help people.

0:20.5

But at the same time, you're right.

0:21.9

The trust is shattered.

0:23.2

I think the NIH is worth saving.

0:24.9

And I think it's savable.

0:26.0

We have to make sure that the work of the NIH

0:28.9

actually translates over to better health people.

0:31.2

We actually have to use science to make America healthy.

0:33.8

The problem that when it will happen is that you had a few people

0:37.1

at the top of the scientific food chain getting to decide what everyone else thought was true. Thank you. What happens when questioning the scientific consensus gets you labeled dangerous and then puts you in charge of

1:11.5

the very institution that tried to silence you. Today's guest has lived that story. From co-authoring

1:17.2

the Great Barrington Declaration to being publicly dismissed as a fringe epidemiologist, Dr. J. Batachari

1:23.5

now sits at the helm of the National Institute of Health at a moment when public trust in science is fractured and fragile.

1:30.1

In this episode, we talk about dissent in medicine, free speech in science, COVID lockdowns in their fallout, chronic disease, environmental health, vaccines, and whether the NIH can truly serve the people again rather than the institutions that fund it.

1:43.7

Dr. Bottachah is a physician,

1:45.6

epidemiologist, health economist, and the director of the National Institute of Health with a background

1:50.0

at Stanford University and decades of research in population health and medical policy.

1:54.3

Watch this episode on the real Alex Clark YouTube channel or Culture Pot to carry on Spotify,

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