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A Thousand Natural Shocks With Gabe S. Dunn

Cancel Culture Takes Your Money (GlamDemon2004 and Emily Vanderwerff)

A Thousand Natural Shocks With Gabe S. Dunn

Gabe Dunn | Diamond MPrint Productions

Education, News Commentary, Self-improvement, History, Personal Journals, News, Society & Culture

4.52.6K Ratings

🗓️ 8 September 2021

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Cancel culture is real. It happens on Twitter and it makes money off of us. This week's introduction is a passionate essay Gaby has been stewing on for a long time. Then, Gaby interviews reporter Emily Vanderwerff about the tragic story of trans woman Isabel Fall who was bullied into a mental hospital because of a bad faith reading of a sci-fi story she wrote. They also discuss the difference between "cancellation" from within your community vs outside your community and the difference between prominent people being attacked or criticized versus private citizens experiencing the same. How much money is social media making off of us coming for each other? And lastly, Tiktok's Serena Shahidi aka GlamDemon2004 chats making money from her cancellation and how Gen Z is turning bullying into cash. (That's right. Your hate engagement makes that person money.) This episode includes transphobia, suicide, and sexual assault. Please take care while listening. IMPORTANT ADD: Read this thoughtful article by a Black comedian Ashley Ray on the Jessica Kirson controversy, which actually began over a racist bit she was rightfully called out over https://ashleyray.substack.com/p/im-not-going-to-let-you-cancel-jessica For a transcript of the show: https://bit.ly/BWMS8E10Transcript Follow Gaby Dunn on Instagram: @GabyRoad Follow Bad With Money on Instagram: @BWMpod Join the Bad With Money Community on Facebook: facebook.com/groups/398914378105641/ Shop gabydunn.com/shop for merch! Follow Serena Shahidi everywhere @GlamDemon2004 Be sure to read Emily's piece "How Twitter Can Ruin A Life" on Vox.com Follow Emily on Twitter @EmilyVDW Bad with Money is produced and edited by Lindsey Floyd. It is sound engineered and mixed by Joey Salvia. The Executive Producer is Lindsey Floyd. The theme song was performed by Sam Barbara and written by Myq Kaplan, Zach Sherwin, and Jack Dolgen. Additional music by Joey Salvia. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Transcript

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0:00.0

You guys problems that you are to be concerned with, you don't know how you're supposed to earn it or what to do with it or how to keep it.

0:08.0

You're a freak with a dark shame, both secret but you're not the only one.

0:13.0

Teach your inner financial fears to the blessed sun. Now your healing has begun. It's bad with money with Gabby.

0:22.0

Done. Hi, I'm Gabby Dunn and this is Bad with Money. Welcome.

0:27.0

I'm about to say something unpopular, which is ironic considering the topic of this episode.

0:32.0

Cancel culture exists.

0:35.0

Denying its existence and denying where it takes place is to oversimplify an issue that is complex and spans many different behaviors and consequences and to ignore the real effect it has on people's lives and livelihoods, for both sides of the cancellation.

0:50.0

What actually means nothing is the word canceled. One of this week's guests framed it like this. If you don't want to use the word cancel, you have to use harsher words. And that is uncomfortable.

1:03.0

Canceled is made up. It's appropriated from black slang. We already had words for what happened to people like Monica Lewinsky or Vanessa Williams or Lance Armstrong or Gary Hart, all of whom were canceled, quote unquote, before Twitter existed.

1:17.0

What I've both experienced and contributed to is bullying threats of violence or acts of violence, ostracation, accountability, pylons, punitive justice, good faith and bad faith discourse, or even just an internet game.

1:33.0

When aimed at the right people with direct intent, this criticism is a powerful tool. When aimed at systemic issues, it can be extremely useful.

1:42.0

When aimed at individuals, I find it less appealing. When aimed laterally or punching down, I find it appalling, especially on Twitter where the days move so fast and the targets are constantly changing.

1:54.0

One day, it feels like everyone is mad at someone with actual power, and the next in account with 13 followers is being piled on for a thoughtless misstep or even sure for actual racist or sexist views.

2:05.0

It's all handled with the same level of gravitas and intensity. Twitter wants it that way. If the product is free, you are the product. I'll explain.

2:15.0

In 2020, Twitter made 86% of its revenue as a company from placing ads on your timeline. Advertisements generated $3.2 billion using promoted tweets, trending topics and promoted accounts.

2:29.0

Advertisers are paying big bucks to get in front of Twitter's $192 million active users. In North America, different sources say different exact numbers, but on average, a user is on Twitter for two hours every day, and for some of you I know it's way more.

2:44.0

No wonder companies are paying top dollar to advertise on your uninterrupted eyeballs for hours at a time, especially when TV commercials have become obsolete.

2:53.0

Twitter makes most of its money off of keeping you there.

2:59.0

Parker Moloi wrote a piece for medium.com about the ways the media and Twitter piggyback onto each other. A tweet gained steam because quote unquote journalists are under pressure to get clicks and payment and scoop each other, especially if it includes buzzwords and social issues that already exist.

3:14.0

The clicks send more users to spend more time on Twitter, less they miss out on the fun or the quote unquote news, because more people on Twitter are talking about it, it trends, and it trending leads to more people talking about it and more articles.

3:26.0

The person at the center of the controversy either decides to apologize or not apologize, spawning another round of media and tweets responding.

3:34.0

Next come the articles about how outrage culture is out of control, a new group of people pile onto the first person who made the accusation harassing them for creating the controversy in the first place.

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