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Welcome to the Quillette podcast. I'm your host, Iona Italia, the managing editor at Quillette.

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My guest this week is Nick Osmond Jones.

Nick is a former researcher at the Office of the Ombudsperson

in British Columbia, Canada. He resigned from his job because he felt that he was not able to speak

out openly about what he saw as an increasingly sensorious atmosphere of ideological social

justice lockstep.

Things came to a head after he leaked the slides that accompanied an office-wide DEI training to my colleague John Kay here at Quillette.

Slides that, among other things, suggested that the ideas underpinning the Third Reich

in apartheid South Africa were borrowed from the Canadian Constitution.

Nick talks in some detail about how DEI and related ideas affected the ways in which things

were done at his former workplace. We also focus on the specifically Canadian aspects of how

this was understood, expressed and handled. I hope you enjoy my conversation with

Nick Osmond Jones. Welcome, Nick. Yeah, thanks for having me on. My pleasure. So I think that

perhaps we should begin by explaining what your work actually entailed. So you were an investigator for

the Ombudsperson's office. That's actually the first time I've ever heard the word Ombud's

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