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It's Been a Minute

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4.68.8K Ratings

🗓️ 22 September 2025

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

After Grok's MechaHitler gaffe this summer, and President Trump's executive order to, "strip AI models of ‘ideological agendas," Brittany wondered, "how much influence does AI already have on our minds?"

This is AI + U. Each Monday this month, Brittany explores how we’re already seeing the impacts of AI. Artificial Intelligence has become a constant in ways we can and can't see… and for the next few weeks we're zeroing in on how AI affects our daily lives.

In this episode, The Argument's Kelsey Piper and NPR correspondent Bobby Allyn join Brittany to discuss what transparency looks like for artificial intelligence and what we actually want from this rapidly developing technology. 

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0:00.0

Hello, hello. I'm Brittany Luce and you're listening to It's Been a Minute from NPR, a show about what's going on in culture and why it doesn't happen by accident.

0:19.3

Earlier this summer, Elon Musk's AI chatbot, Grok, had a pretty embarrassing malfunction.

0:25.8

The Mecca Hitler incident.

0:29.5

So as background here, the way that modern AIs are trained, modern large language models, which are the chatbots that people think of

0:39.3

when they talk about AI, is they are fed enormous amounts of texts, all of the books we have

0:45.0

recorded, all of the texts of the internet, Reddit, you know, everything like that.

0:49.4

Out of this comes a sort of distinctive political perspective, you know, a little bit politically liberal.

0:55.5

That is staff writer for the argument, Kelsey Piper.

0:58.5

Elon Musk didn't like this. He found it kind of embarrassing that Grock, the AI, that his team had

1:05.0

kept disagreeing with him on Twitter. And so he started this work to train GROC to be, you know, he

1:14.6

framed it as more truth-seeking. This didn't go well. When they released the new GROC, people

1:19.9

realized very quickly they could provoke the new GROC into, you know, expressing not just right-wing

1:26.8

opinions, but like horrific, like, white supremacist

1:30.7

reactionary opinions.

1:33.4

At a certain point, GROC started referring to itself as Mecca Hitler, a reference to the

1:38.7

video game, Wolfenstein.

1:40.3

So this is really bad.

1:42.1

And XAI did apologize and take that GROC down and spend some time trying to rework it and get a more moderate grok.

1:50.5

We reached out to X for comment on the situation and they directed us to a post that states, quote,

1:56.2

we spotted a couple of issues with Grockfort recently that we immediately investigated and

2:01.4

mitigated. One was that if you ask it, what is your surname? It doesn't have one, so it searches

2:07.4

the internet leading to undesirable results, such as when it searches, picked up a viral

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