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What does it look like to do the same job for 40 years and still call it the job you love?

This week we're talking to Jackie Cation, stand-up comedian and podcaster.

We get into the real math of having a touring comedy career across four decades,

why a 20-year-old podcast might

be the most stable business decision she ever made. And what it costs, financially and

otherwise, to keep choosing the road over almost everything else. The creative economy is

broken, but some people are still making it work. We're here to find out how.

I'm Anna Marie Cox.

And I'm open Mike Eagle.

And this is past due.

Well, we're here with Jackie Cation,

stand-up comedian who's been doing that for the last 40 years on the road

touring 45 weeks a year.

Her new special altercation is out now,

along with her two long-running podcast, Dork Forrest,

and the Jackie and Lori Show.

How are you this morning?

I'm good.

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