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I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST

Can We Trust Law Enforcement? with J. Warner Wallace

I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST

Dr. Frank Turek

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Education

4.8 • 5K Ratings

🗓️ 19 December 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

What happens to a society when trust in law enforcement collapses? Can a culture survive when those sworn to protect it are constantly vilified? In the aftermath of George Floyd’s death and the tragic murder of Charlie Kirk, skepticism and cynicism toward law enforcement has surged, reshaping public trust and public safety. Former cold-case homicide detective, J. Warner Wallace, joins Frank to examine how we arrived at this moment and what’s at stake if the trend continues. Together, Frank and Jim answer questions like:* What is the primary role of government according to God?* Why is local law enforcement considered the #1 essential service of any functional society?* How does public skepticism and cynicism toward law enforcement directly impact crime and safety?* Why is it so important for police officers to proactively suppress crime?* How do first responders reflect God’s nature and design for authority?* Why is it better for local agencies to handle local crimes?* Are "viral" police encounters distorting reality?* What is the observer effect and what does it have to do with "the weirdest claim of all Christianity"?* Why does law enforcement attract so much criticism compared to other professions?* Why do so many police officers face difficulty in marriage and what's the solution?Drawing from real-world experience, Jim exposes the cultural forces undermining police authority and explains why a biblical worldview is essential for justice, accountability, and social stability. As Christians, let's lead the way in Gospel-centered engagement with those in uniform. Do you love your freedom? Thank a police officer!If you enjoyed this podcast episode PLEASE HELP US SPREAD THE TRUTH OF CHRISTIANITY BY SUPPORTING OUR MINISTRY USING THE LINK BELOW. 100% of your donation goes to ministry, 0% to buildings!Resources mentioned during the episode:Donate to CrossExamined - https://donor.crossexamined.org/ (https://donor.crossexamined.org/)Upcoming Online Courses - Starting in January! - https://bit.ly/495pHc6 (https://bit.ly/495pHc6)Charlie Kirk Conspiracy Theories? Homicide Detective Speaks Out - https://youtu.be/--ks1iEl1Ws (https://youtu.be/--ks1iEl1Ws) Operation Heal Our Patriots - https://www.samaritanspurse.org/education-2/operation-heal-our-patriots/ (https://www.samaritanspurse.org/education-2/operation-heal-our-patriots/)Jim's website - https://coldcasechristianity.com/ (https://coldcasechristianity.com/)The Thin Blue Life - https://www.thethinbluelife.com/ (https://www.thethinbluelife.com/)

Transcript

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0:00.0

Ladies and gentlemen, why am I wearing a NYPD hat just before Christmas?

0:10.6

Well, on my way to Jordan and Israel a couple months ago, I was in JFK Airport and I was just looking for a hat and I said,

0:18.7

I'd really like to have an NYPD hat.

0:21.6

So I picked up this NYPD hat, kind of the first time I'm wearing it here.

0:25.7

And I'm wearing it here for a reason.

0:28.0

Because I think there's a lot of not just skepticism, but cynicism about law enforcement.

0:34.7

And when we get to a point in our society where we don't just have skepticism, but we have cynicism about the foundational vocation that allows you and me to be safe in what we do every day, our country's in a very bad way.

0:51.9

Some of this goes all the way, of course, back to, at least in recent memory,

0:57.3

the George Floyd fiasco. But some of it has been more recently brought up with all the skepticism

1:04.1

around our friend Charlie Kirk's murder. Is the FBI hiding something? Is local law enforcement

1:09.9

hiding something? What is going on? How can we make sense of all this?

1:15.9

And what should our real attitude be about law enforcement? And there's nobody better to talk about that than my friend Jay Warner Wallace, who, as you know, has been a police officer for many years and then a cold case homicide detective.

1:29.5

He's retired now, but his dad was at the Torrance PD as well as he.

1:33.2

And his son is currently at the Torrance PD right now, just made Sergeant, by the way.

1:38.5

So we want to talk about this because this is foundational to a civilization.

1:42.6

We don't realize it.

1:50.7

But law enforcement is the ground floor that makes civilization possible.

1:55.0

And too often we don't look at our law enforcement officers with the kind of respect and the kind of gratefulness we should have because there are a few bad apples out there. So let me bring Jim in. Here he is, ladies gentlemen, the great Jay Warner Wallace, all the way from the once great state of California. It still has great weather, but other things are going to my way. The weather here is so good. It's so good. I know. It can't be bad enough in the other way to make up for the good weather.

2:19.3

I'm sorry. I just can't be. I was born and raised on blue skies, you know, 15 minutes from the beach. I'm going to, basically, I'm going to die here. Okay? That's a choice I'm making, all right, to see. Jim, I got to, before we get into a detailed discussion about this, I want people to know what you're doing with certain law enforcement couples. You know, a husband is a police officer and his wife, you know, spends every day wondering if her husband's going to come home and that creates strain on a marriage but during

2:51.6

the summer you're really doing a ministry regarding that can you tell our listeners and viewers about that

2:56.7

yeah we started a number of years ago um because let me just go back and give you some of the back story

3:01.8

i don't think you and i ever really talked about this but when i got saved at 35 i was a cop already about

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