Hey Jim Daley here. If you like the focus on the family broadcast and haven't

grown tired of this voice just yet, you'll love my ReFocus podcast. On ReFocus I

take a deeper dive with a respected thinker on different aspects of culture. I

ask those hard questions that maybe they don't get that often and I don't

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When you're watching a movie, if you come across a scene you don't understand,

you might be like me, you might push pause and then get three wine button a

couple of times and just follow that again because it didn't quite make sense.

In the same way, if you're having an argument with your spouse, it's probably

a good idea to press pause and go back and figure out where the misunderstanding

took place. I'm John Fuller along with Greg and Aaron Smalley who lead our

marriage team here. And we're going to hear now a conversation that focus

president Jim Daley had with Kimberly and Danny Ray Thompson. They talked with

Jim about a marriage principle that they've learned based on something that

Danny Ray does as a magician.

Danny, let me ask you. I think I've seen at least versions of this. One of the

illusions that you perform is an elaborate underwater escape. Describe what's

involved and how you use that to teach people about life and God and marriage.

Yeah. So for a number of years, I did underwater escapes and there's, you know,

when you're going underwater, you know, the first thing I would say before I

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