Welcome to Democracy-ish. I'm Danielle Moody.

And I'm with Chautily.

And Waj, we have a very special guest that I would like you to do. I mean, you, you brought on a former

professor. I wish that I could do that. Mine all hated me and told me that I, you know,

I wouldn't amount to anything in politics. Ha ha, ha, with them. But please do us the good,

good honor of introducing Professor Hing. Well, our esteemed guest is my former professor who actually also told me,

you probably shouldn't do law.

And I didn't know if that was a compliment or not.

But here we have my former professor, the beloved, the infamous, the well-known professor,

Bill Ong-Hing, he is the founding director of the Immigration and Deportation

Defense Clinic. He is an author of numerous books, including the recently released Humanizing

Immigration, How to Transform Our Racist and Unjust System, Excuse Me, and he is a professor at

University of San Francisco and a former professor

at my alma mater, UC Davis King Hall Law School, where he taught me how to negotiate.

We love this.

Thank you for the invitation.

And I don't think I ever told you not to practice law.

In fact,

your listeners may not realize this watch was actually a very successful lawyer. And he practiced

in Contra Costa County, as I recalled. And he had some wonderful victories. And he's been committed

to social justice from the legal side as well. So I'm I'm proud to have played a

tiny role in that journey. Well, the negotiations class helped me get married. So I appreciate that

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