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The Brian Lehrer Show

Can We Change Our Personalities?

The Brian Lehrer Show

WNYC

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4.71.4K Ratings

🗓️ 12 March 2025

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

Olga Khazan, staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of Me, But Better: The Science and Promise of Personality Change, talks about her new book.

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0:00.0

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0:19.3

Brian Laird on WNYC.

0:21.9

So who at some point or another has wanted to be more outgoing than you are, more generous than you are,

0:28.6

maybe a little less neurotic, however you define that?

0:32.0

Changing these aspects can feel insurmountable, right?

0:34.8

It's just who you are.

0:36.6

But in her new book, Olga Hazan, staff writer at the

0:40.6

Atlantic, went on a year-long quest to fine-tune her personality, or at least to try. Turns out,

0:48.0

she discovered there are five key traits that are on a sliding scale, and they're measurable. Through her research, she discovered

0:56.8

that you can alter these traits, yes you can, by consistently behaving in ways that align with the

1:03.4

kind of person you'd like to be. This new book is called Me But Better, the Science and Promise

1:09.8

of Personality Change.

1:11.6

Hi, Olga, welcome back to WNYC.

1:13.6

Hi, thanks so much for having me.

1:15.6

And I'm just going to list these five factors so listeners know what they are that you say

1:20.6

personality consists of scientifically, extroversion, conscientiousness, agreeableness, openness, and neuroticism. Do you want to talk about any

1:32.7

one of those as an example of how you think they can be measured? Yeah, so extroversion is one that

1:39.4

might resonate with people. I think we all know what an extrovert is versus an introvert. And for me, I really

1:46.0

wanted to increase my levels of extroversion because really even acting in an extroverted way

1:53.3

occasionally can actually make you happier. So when I took this science-based personality test,

2:00.0

it showed me that my levels of extroversion

2:01.7

were very, very low.

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