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And now for the Mother Jones Podcasts.

And now for the Mother Jones podcast. I'm Jamila King in New York.

On this week's show, we explore what it takes to de-radicalize white

supremacists. They meet a person who overturns their stereotypes.

Hear from a man waking up from a lifetime of hate.

It's flat out embarrassing. The fact that I believe that shit, the fact that I lived it, and the fact that I was so extreme with it, but if you tell the truth, people won't want to join.

And what can happen when you renounce that life?

And then I'm fetal position, and I'm getting a goddamn life kicked out of me, dude.

Plus we ask, can you ever really leave?

The task is not to think you can fully erase the influence of white supremacy on your way of thinking

but you have to acknowledge it to fight against those impulses and we help you make sense of one of the most important and confusing stories in the news.

You know what, Putin's fine.

It's like we're in the upside-down world in stranger things.

First, when President Donald Trump signals to white supremacists,

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